Curse

runeseeker1 · Apr 16, 2007, 12:03 PM // 12:03

I've noticed that PvE characters have a horribly hard time making their way in PvP simply because they:
1)Have to pay money for skills.
2)Have to level up to get to level 20 befroe they can succeed in PvP.
3)Have to buy armor, and it is impossible to remake armor for another build
unless you're filthy rich
4)Have to buy weapons, see above point

So I came up with this idea for PvE characters who came to the Battle Isles.
1)PvE chars gain access to all skills that their account has unlocked.
2)They gain the ability to make PvP armor in those areas, with unlocked runes
and insignias and everything, but can't use it outside of PvP.
3)The same goes for weapons.
4)Whether you are level 14 or level 9, you are level 20 when you enter the
Battle Isles. When you leave, you lose all those attribute points, etc.

MithranArkanere · Apr 16, 2007, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Some of your ideas are separated in other threads...

But... would not that being just like making a PvP character?
Access to the skills and the habilitty to make armor and weapons is fine, but the level stuff not so good.

If you need a character qickly, you make a PvP characters (to do so I recomend leaving at least a slot free).
In Tyria you reach level 20 in around two weeks, less than one week for Elona, and less than one day for Cantha...
Alas, if you are already at level 11 or 15, there won't be much time left until you get to level 20.

Not a great deal...

lyra_song · Apr 16, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11

been brought up many times before, (my incarnation of this idea http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10000385)
and GW2 will use this option.

I really do agree to this.

Div · Apr 16, 2007, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Old idea. Not signed. If you want to look cool with your PvE character, you have to pay the price for it.

Hell Raiser · Apr 16, 2007, 02:46 PM // 14:46

/notsigned. Make a PvP character. No PvP slot? Your fault, fork over $9.99 for one or delete a character. Don't have $10? Refuse to delete a character? Collector Weapons, Collector armor; runes and upgrades are fairly cheap.

PvP chars don't (and shouldn't) have unique armor/weapon skins. PvE chars don't (and shouldn't) have equal footing in PvP without working more for their skills/armor/weapons.

isamu kurosawa · Apr 16, 2007, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by Hell Raiser

/notsigned. Make a PvP character. No PvP slot? Your fault, fork over $9.99 for one or delete a character. Don't have $10? Refuse to delete a character? Collector Weapons, Collector armor; runes and upgrades are fairly cheap.

PvP chars don't (and shouldn't) have unique armor/weapon skins. PvE chars don't (and shouldn't) have equal footing in PvP without working more for their skills/armor/weapons.

My sentiments exactly, pvp chars have durability, PvE chars have vanity. If you want both then you work for it.

Darko_UK · Apr 16, 2007, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Hahah you think it's hard at the moment?!?! Go back 23 months kid

Operations · Apr 16, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

We're more likely to see second professions banned in PvP...

Puliver · Apr 17, 2007, 08:36 AM // 08:36

This is not needed, because you can always create PvP character for this.

BlackSephir · Apr 17, 2007, 12:23 PM // 12:23

Yeah, that would be great...
Give pve characters everythin that pvp characters have but don't even think about givin pvp characters more armour!
Ah, mentality of some players...

Myrkwid · Apr 17, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Yeah, that would be great...
Give pve characters everythin that pvp characters have but don't even think about givin pvp characters more armour!
Ah, mentality of some players...

Where's the problem?
A pvpcharacter doesn't get weaker due to this.
A roleplayingcharacter still needs the same amount of time invested to look cool.

Just the casual gamer might get a chance to dabble a bit in pvp with his rpgchars. Equipped with pvpequipment an rpgchar becomes the same (even lookwise) as a pvpchar, but with added restrictions regarding skills (so it's even still subpaar to a pvpchars regarding functionality). This might even have positive synergies on the transition from pve to pvp.

OhCrapLions · Apr 17, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

/Signed

I dont see what the problem is. This isnt destructive to the PvP community in any way nor does it promote the use of PvE characters over PvP as they have to invest a large amount of time to look great.

I think the main idea can be done through "smart armor". Mush like how I cant use my pvp weapons on my pve characters. Once they leave the pvp island their stats are put back the way they were. Or they make it so that in pvp islands pve armor has no stats and you have to customize them like a pvp character. And when you leave, it goes back to normal.

BlackSephir · Apr 17, 2007, 04:42 PM // 16:42

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Originally Posted by Myrkwid

Where's the problem?
A pvpcharacter doesn't get weaker due to this.
A roleplayingcharacter still needs the same amount of time invested to look cool.

Just the casual gamer might get a chance to dabble a bit in pvp with his rpgchars. Equipped with pvpequipment an rpgchar becomes the same (even lookwise) as a pvpchar, but with added restrictions regarding skills (so it's even still subpaar to a pvpchars regarding functionality). This might even have positive synergies on the transition from pve to pvp.

So why make pvp and pve characters? Get rid of the pvp characters because pve chars will be able to do everything that pvp chars can not and more

Dougal Kronik · Apr 17, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

Just use a PvP character. And if you still want to show off how great you are with your PvE character, get them through the missions to max out their levels/attributes and then go and show off your bling.

Yichi · Apr 17, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Is this like the 3rd thread in 5 minutes about someone whining their pve char sucks in pvp? Stop making pve chars every day and having all underdeveloped characters. Focus on some and make them pvp ready, or save a slot for pvp.

refer to this reply from a different thread.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Apr 17, 2007, 10:25 PM // 22:25

Keep one slot open for PvP, or spend the money to make your characters PvP ready. Doesn't matter which, just stop whining. A change like this would waste anet's time.

I just posted this in another thread with practically the exact same issue.

Myrkwid · Apr 17, 2007, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

So why make pvp and pve characters? Get rid of the pvp characters because pve chars will be able to do everything that pvp chars can not and more

Well, obviously you either haven't read the complete thread or you haven't understood it.
And there would still be enough differences. Still pvpcharacters have a much superior flexibility, the idea behind this is just to even things a bit out.
At least last time I checked my pvpcharacter (yes, I HAVE bought additional slots and a pvpslot), I did not have to level the character and its heroes. Nor did I have to cross all chapters to collect elites!

And making the transition to pvp easier is nothing that hurts the game, in fact it might even help reinforcing the shrinking pvpside of the game. If you want to tell me now, that's not true, the pvpcommunity is even bigger than before, than you either have bad perception skills or are not playing since the beginning.

Orinn · Apr 17, 2007, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by Hell Raiser

/notsigned. Make a PvP character. No PvP slot? Your fault, fork over $9.99 for one or delete a character. Don't have $10? Refuse to delete a character? Collector Weapons, Collector armor; runes and upgrades are fairly cheap.

PvP chars don't (and shouldn't) have unique armor/weapon skins. PvE chars don't (and shouldn't) have equal footing in PvP without working more for their skills/armor/weapons.

So you're voting for imbalanced PvP, where one side has distinct advantages that another side doesn't?

Specifically:

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Originally Posted by Hell Raiser

PvE chars don't (and shouldn't) have equal footing in PvP without working more for their skills/armor/weapons.

Congratulations on missing the idea of "level playing field" entirely.

BlackSephir · Apr 17, 2007, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Have you read the whole topic? Or maybe at least 1st post? I don't think so.

Quote:

4)Whether you are level 14 or level 9, you are level 20 when you enter the
Battle Isles. When you leave, you lose all those attribute points, etc.

It clearly means you won't have to lvl up a pve character if you're going to play pvp with this char- maybe you're the one that doesn't get it?
So what was that 'pvp chars will still have more flexibility' you were talking about?
Elite hunting? He said that all skills will be available

So stop this pathetic 'obviously you either haven't read the complete thread or you haven't understood it.' bull because it goes for you

Myrkwid · Apr 17, 2007, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Bull what? And what you are now writing has nothing to do with what you quoted out of my post.
But maybe I have misunderstood you, or you don't know how discussions work. Both ways possible. But I tend to the latter as I was reading "pathetic" and "bull". But let's stop derailing this thread.
And if pvponlycharacter wouldn't be needed, what would be the problem of it? Pvecharacters wouldn't be needed either, as there would be no restrictions between those two types anymore and it is exactly what ANet wants to do with gw2. At least somehow.